Posted by: Hope | September 2, 2007

Unitarian Universalist Not Good For Me

Last week I attended a Unitarian Universalist church. Honestly? I had really high hopes that I would really, really love this church. Everything I knew about this denomination attracted me strongly. Except for the fact that they actually find it Biblical that everyone is going to go to heaven, which is clearly not the case. But everything else, I liked. The fact that they welcomed Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, etc. into their congregation made me think “Man, I could really enjoy this.” Well sadly to say, I hated it. The people were wonderful, they really were. But service? Well, thats what I hated. It seemed like a normal service, but the things the said, the songs the sang….to me it almost seemed like a cult. I don’t believe it is. But it gave me that vibe. I didn’t like it. All they were about was spirituality, they hardly ever even mentioned the word God, and I don’t think I *ever* heard them mention Jesus. Maybe it’s just me, but Christianity is based on Christ (ianity…isn’t it obvious???). And for me to never hear the name Jesus, and barely even hear “God” that seems extremely odd. Maybe I’m just used to my church, and all I would need is a little getting used to. But for some odd reason, I have a problem with a Christian church not mentioning the God they’re supposed to be following, the reason why they should be there in the first place. So with that said, I didn’t like it. I didn’t like it at all. And I definitely don’t agree with them not mentioning God. It’s wrong. It makes me wonder the purpose of their religion. Why they follow, why they do what they do, why they are their. Is it just for spirituality? To have a good feeling? To find some type of “peace”? Dude, if thats the case, they ought to just be Buddhist.

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  1. Actually. . . Unitarian*Universalists aka U*Us do occasionally mention God in their services. For example, Rev. Ray Drennan, the fundamentalist atheist “Humanist” U*U minister of the so-called Unitarian Church of Montreal once preached a Sunday sermon in which he declared that God is a “non-existent being” and that belief in God “seems primitive”. . . Suffice it to say that Unitarian*Universalism cannot really be considered to be a Christian religion and that God and God believing people are far from, welcome in many so-called “Welcoming Congregation”.

  2. lol, you say that as if mentioning God in that way is a good thing. Can’t say I find that to be so. Though, I do find your comment interesting and slightly helpful.

  3. I have attended UU exclusively (well, when I attend any sort of church service, that is!) for more than 30 years. I went through a period of “forced Christianity” when my father said he would put me in the children’s home (foster care) if I didn’t start “believing.” So I pretended, or maybe I even tried to believe (it was a LONG time ago), but it never felt quite right. And then I discovered the UU congregation! I can’t tell you just what felt so right about it (again, it’s been awhile!), but I remember they had a saying, “To question IS the answer!” and that has stuck with me all these years!

    If you’re looking for a “church home” that has a strong focus on God and Jesus, you probably would be happier with a denomination other than UU.

  4. It is not that I want a strong focus on God and Jesus. I just want it to be mentioned. Where do UU’s stand with the topic of God and Jesus? I don’t even know.

  5. UU’s come from all sorts of religious backgrounds. Christians ARE welcome. Many Christians attend and Jesus is mentioned from time to time as is the Buddha. The idea is that all faiths can commune together under one roof. I particularly enjoy Christmas services. There is plenty of talk of Gog and Jesus on holidays,just not all the time. They talk about many religions. Don’t make a decision based on one service or even on one church. They vary from minister to minister.

  6. Agreed. Not every ordained U*U minister is an outspoken fundamentalist atheist anti-religious bigot like Rev. Ray Drennan, formerly of the so-called Unitarian Church of Montreal, and now proprietor of his own alleged spiritual retreat centre at the Auberge Le Vieux Presbytère de Bouctouche in New Brunswick.

    There are a certain amount of “like-minded” U*U ministers however and rather too many inhuman “Humanist” U*Us in not so welcoming U*U congregations.

  7. Wait, so some of the UU ministers ARE straight up atheists? Wow. That I never would have guessed,

  8. How can any organization claim to follow God, when they have NO set beliefs? Is God undefined? To say such a thing is to throw away the Word of God (which defines God). It is extremely odd for any religion to claim to believe nothing as a group. The only thing agreed upon is that anything goes. Tragically, you can believe anything you want. To no surprise, 18% of all Unitarian Universalists profess to be Atheists! Put forth as a religion, the Unitarian Universalist Association is nothing more than a SOCIAL CLUB for anyone who wants to join.

    This was in a bulletin:
    “Sunday Worship Service at 11am every Sunday

    Since 1850 Unitarian Universalists have been a prophetic and progressive voice within the city. Our church is a place where individuals are free to explore the ultimate questions in a community of other seekers and find their own answers.

    We are…

    Christians, Jews, Humanists, Agnostics, Pagans, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Muslims, and many other faith traditions
    straight, gay, couples, singles, young, and old
    bound together not by dogma, but by shared values, social concerns, common interests, and friendship
    We invite you to learn about our beliefs and activities by exploring this site, visiting us in person, and getting involved in our community.”

    The above statements are ANTI-Christian in every sense. The Word of God is Truth (John 17:17). According to the Word of God, anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ is a liar (1st John 2:22). Thus, the Bible condemns Muslims, Pagans, Humanists, Agnostics, Taoists, Hindus, and all other’s who deny that salvation is found in Jesus Christ alone. John 14:6 plainly states, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Jesus Christ is the the only way to Heaven!

    Furthermore, the Bible condemns homosexuality as a horrible sin (Leviticus 20:13; Jude 7).

    Please do NOT be deceived, religion never saved anyone. ONLY through the blood of Jesus Christ can anyone be saved…

    “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ…” -1st Peter 1:18,19

    Heresies of Unitarian Universalism

    Concerning Jesus Christ, they teach…

    Do you believe in Jesus?
    We do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, performed miracles and was resurrected from death.

    According to 1st John 2:22, they are antichrists. 2nd Thessalonians 1:8 condemns them to Hell…

    “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    Concerning miracles, they teach…

    “Do you believe in miracles?
    We do not believe in miracles in any supernatural way since our ideas of God generally do not include a deity who has the ability to alter the workings of the natural world.” -SOURCE

    Concerning the Word of God, they teach…

    “How do you regard the Bible?
    We regard the Bible as one of many important religious texts but do not consider it unique or exclusive in any way. We do not interpret it literally. We think some parts of it offer more truth and relevance than other parts. Although UUs respect the Bible and regard some of its content as great literature, it is not a central document in our religion.”

    What a contrast to the claims of the Word of God…

    “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” -Matthew 4:4

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” -2nd Timothy 3:16

    For any professed “Church” to deny the deity of Christ, deny the existence of a Divine God, and deny the Authority of God’s Word is Satanic! Satan loves religion without God, Churchianity without Christianity. The few professed “Christians” which are members of the Unitarian Universalist Alliance (UUA) are imposters. No Biblical Christian, who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God, would “worship” in such a godless and immoral group. Listen to the warning given by the Word of God…

    “For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” -Romans 10:3,4

    For those who think UU is the truth. mmm no. Leave the false religion of Unitarian Universalism, and instead believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour.
    ==================================================================
    FROM CARM:
    What is Unitarianism?

    Unitarianism is the belief that God exists in one person, not three. It is a denial of the doctrine of the Trinity as well as the full divinity of Jesus. Therefore, it is not Christian. There are several groups that fall under this umbrella: Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphianism, The Way International, etc. Another term for this type of belief is called monarchianism.
    In the context of universalism, the Unitarianism discussed here is that belief that denies the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, eternal punishment, and the vicarious atonement of Jesus. Unitarian universalists use many biblical concepts and terms but with non-biblical meanings. Unitarianism is not Christian.
    There is a group known as the Unitarian Universalists Association. This denomination which was formed in 1961 in the United States when the American Unitarian Association and the Universalist Church of America merged. Its membership is around 175,000.
    The General Convention of the Unitarian Universalists formulated the five principles of the Universalist Faith in 1899.

    The Universal Fatherhood of God
    The spiritual authority and leadership of His Son Jesus Christ
    The trustworthiness of the Bible as containing a revelation from God
    The certainty of just retribution for sin
    The final harmony of all souls with God
    Additional beliefs generally held by Unitarian Universalists are:
    Salvation is by grace through faith and not by works in any way.
    Jesus became the Son of God at His baptism.
    The Holy Spirit is not a person, does not have a will, etc.
    There now is and will be rewards and punishments according to one’s actions but this does not consist of the traditional doctrine of hell.
    Human reason and experience should be the final authority in determining spiritual truth.
    This last point, “Human reason and experience should be the final authority in determining spiritual truth,” is perhaps the most revealing of the character of Unitarian Universalists. Instead of God and his word being the final authority on truth and error, or right and wrong, Unitarian Universalists subject God and his word to their understanding, feeling, and reason. This is exemplified in the following quote obtain from the official Unitarian Universalist website at http://uua.org/. This was found under the heading Unitarian Universalists say:

    “I want a religion that respects the differences between people and affirms every person as an individual.”
    “I want a church that values children, that welcomes them on their own terms—a church they are eager to attend on Sunday morning.”
    “I want a congregation that cherishes freedom and encourages open dialogue on questions of faith, one in which it is okay to change your mind.”
    “I want a religious community that affirms spiritual exploration and reason as ways of finding truth.”
    “I want a church that acts locally and thinks globally on the great issues of our time—world peace; women’s rights; racial justice; homelessness; gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender rights; and protection of the environment.”
    Notice that each of the five statements begins with “I want…” This is not the humble attitude of one indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. It is not the attitude of one who wants to put God first.
    It can plainly be seen that this is a religion based upon personal hopes and desires and not upon the the Bible.
    I cannot help but think of the five “I will’s” listed in Isaiah 14:13-14:

    “But you said in your heart,
    I will ascend to heaven;
    I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
    I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north.
    I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
    I will make myself like the Most High.’

    Many commentators believe that these five “I wills” were uttered by Satan as he sought to be exalted and equal to God. They reflect the arrogance of the evil one as his heart was filled with pride and put his own will before God’s. He had his desires before God’s.
    But notice what Isaiah says in the next verse:

    “Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, to the recesses of the pit.”

    Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks,” (Matt. 12:34). We can see that the Unitarian Universalists speak first from their own desires, according to their own wisdom, and not according to the wisdom of God. What does God say about this?

    “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God,” ( 1 Cor. 3:19).

  9. How can any organization claim to follow God, when they have NO set beliefs? Is God undefined? To say such a thing is to throw away the Word of God (which defines God). It is extremely odd for any religion to claim to believe nothing as a group. The only thing agreed upon is that anything goes. Tragically, you can believe anything you want. To no surprise, 18% of all Unitarian Universalists profess to be Atheists! Put forth as a religion, the Unitarian Universalist Association is nothing more than a SOCIAL CLUB for anyone who wants to join.

    This is taken from a bulletin:
    “Sunday Worship Service at 11am every Sunday
    Since 1850 Unitarian Universalists have been a prophetic and progressive voice within the city. Our church is a place where individuals are free to explore the ultimate questions in a community of other seekers and find their own answers.
    We are…
    Christians, Jews, Humanists, Agnostics, Pagans, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Muslims, and many other faith traditions
    straight, gay, couples, singles, young, and old
    bound together not by dogma, but by shared values, social concerns, common interests, and friendship
    We invite you to learn about our beliefs and activities by exploring this site, visiting us in person, and getting involved in our community.”
    The above statements are ANTI-Christian in every sense. The Word of God is Truth (John 17:17). According to the Word of God, anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ is a liar (1st John 2:22). Thus, the Bible condemns Muslims, Pagans, Humanists, Agnostics, Taoists, Hindus, and all other’s who deny that salvation is found in Jesus Christ alone. John 14:6 plainly states, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Jesus Christ is the the only way to Heaven!
    Furthermore, the Bible condemns homosexuality as a horrible sin (Leviticus 20:13; Jude 7).
    Please do NOT be deceived, religion never saved anyone. ONLY through the blood of Jesus Christ can anyone be saved…
    “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ…” -1st Peter 1:18,19

    Heresies of Unitarian Universalism
    Concerning Jesus Christ, they teach…
    Do you believe in Jesus?
    We do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, performed miracles and was resurrected from death.
    According to 1st John 2:22, they are antichrists. 2nd Thessalonians 1:8 condemns them to Hell…
    “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    Concerning miracles, they teach…
    “Do you believe in miracles?
    We do not believe in miracles in any supernatural way since our ideas of God generally do not include a deity who has the ability to alter the workings of the natural world.” -SOURCE
    Concerning the Word of God, they teach…
    “How do you regard the Bible?
    We regard the Bible as one of many important religious texts but do not consider it unique or exclusive in any way. We do not interpret it literally. We think some parts of it offer more truth and relevance than other parts. Although UUs respect the Bible and regard some of its content as great literature, it is not a central document in our religion.”
    What a contrast to the claims of the Word of God…
    “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” -Matthew 4:4
    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” -2nd Timothy 3:16
    For any professed “Church” to deny the deity of Christ, deny the existence of a Divine God, and deny the Authority of God’s Word is Satanic! Satan loves religion without God, Churchianity without Christianity. The few professed “Christians” which are members of the Unitarian Universalist Alliance (UUA) are imposters. No Biblical Christian, who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God, would “worship” in such a godless and immoral group. Listen to the warning given by the Word of God…
    “For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” -Romans 10:3,4
    I plead with you to please leave the false religion of Unitarian Universalism, and instead believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour.

    What is Unitarianism?

    Unitarianism is the belief that God exists in one person, not three. It is a denial of the doctrine of the Trinity as well as the full divinity of Jesus. Therefore, it is not Christian. There are several groups that fall under this umbrella: Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphianism, The Way International, etc. Another term for this type of belief is called monarchianism.
    In the context of universalism, the Unitarianism discussed here is that belief that denies the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, eternal punishment, and the vicarious atonement of Jesus. Unitarian universalists use many biblical concepts and terms but with non-biblical meanings. Unitarianism is not Christian.
    There is a group known as the Unitarian Universalists Association. This denomination which was formed in 1961 in the United States when the American Unitarian Association and the Universalist Church of America merged. Its membership is around 175,000.
    The General Convention of the Unitarian Universalists formulated the five principles of the Universalist Faith in 1899.
    The Universal Fatherhood of God
    The spiritual authority and leadership of His Son Jesus Christ
    The trustworthiness of the Bible as containing a revelation from God
    The certainty of just retribution for sin
    The final harmony of all souls with God
    Additional beliefs generally held by Unitarian Universalists are:
    Salvation is by grace through faith and not by works in any way.
    Jesus became the Son of God at His baptism.
    The Holy Spirit is not a person, does not have a will, etc.
    There now is and will be rewards and punishments according to one’s actions but this does not consist of the traditional doctrine of hell.
    Human reason and experience should be the final authority in determining spiritual truth.
    This last point, “Human reason and experience should be the final authority in determining spiritual truth,” is perhaps the most revealing of the character of Unitarian Universalists. Instead of God and his word being the final authority on truth and error, or right and wrong, Unitarian Universalists subject God and his word to their understanding, feeling, and reason. This is exemplified in the following quote obtain from the official Unitarian Universalist website at http://uua.org/. This was found under the heading Unitarian Universalists say:
    “I want a religion that respects the differences between people and affirms every person as an individual.”
    “I want a church that values children, that welcomes them on their own terms—a church they are eager to attend on Sunday morning.”
    “I want a congregation that cherishes freedom and encourages open dialogue on questions of faith, one in which it is okay to change your mind.”
    “I want a religious community that affirms spiritual exploration and reason as ways of finding truth.”
    “I want a church that acts locally and thinks globally on the great issues of our time—world peace; women’s rights; racial justice; homelessness; gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender rights; and protection of the environment.”
    Notice that each of the five statements begins with “I want…” This is not the humble attitude of one indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. It is not the attitude of one who wants to put God first.
    It can plainly be seen that this is a religion based upon personal hopes and desires and not upon the the Bible.
    I cannot help but think of the five “I will’s” listed in Isaiah 14:13-14:
    “But you said in your heart,
    I will ascend to heaven;
    I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
    I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north.
    I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
    I will make myself like the Most High.’
    Many commentators believe that these five “I wills” were uttered by Satan as he sought to be exalted and equal to God. They reflect the arrogance of the evil one as his heart was filled with pride and put his own will before God’s. He had his desires before God’s.
    But notice what Isaiah says in the next verse:
    “Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, to the recesses of the pit.”
    Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks,” (Matt. 12:34). We can see that the Unitarian Universalists speak first from their own desires, according to their own wisdom, and not according to the wisdom of God. What does God say about this?
    “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God,” ( 1 Cor. 3:19).

    According to a 1997 survey of almost 10,000 UUs gave their theological perspective as:

    Humanist at 46.1% is the most common perspective.

    19% identify themselves as Nature or Earth centered religion (e.g. Wiccan, Druid or other Neopagan tradition.

    13% describe themselves simply as Theist.

    9.3% self-identify as Christian.

    6.2% are mystic.

    3.6% are Buddhist.

    Other perspectives listed are Jewish at 1.3%, Hindu at 0.4%, Muslim at 0.1% and other at 13.3%

  10. Unitarianism predates Roman Catholicism! The first people to follow Jesus saw him as an enlightened teacher, not a deity. A few centuries later, the prevailing dogma was that he was the son of God, or God in human form. It got to the point that anyone in the Holy Roman Empire who questioned this could face execution.

    Unitarianism went underground for many centuries, but it never died out, and eventually found its way to the New World. Many of the Founding Fathers of the US were Unitarians or Universalists (two denominations that flourished in the US and eventually merged in 1961). They were Christians, but their worship bore no resemblance whatsoever to what Jerry Falwell or D. James Kennedy would want us to believe.

    As the decades went by, Unitarian-Universalism discovered that its strength as a denomination was acceptance of all who could adhere to 7 basic principles (inherent worth & dignity of every person; justice, equity and compassion in human relatons; a responsible search for truth and meaning; the right of conscience and the democratic process; acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth; the goal of a world community with peace, justice and liberty for all, and respect for the interdependent web of which we are all a part). Because the demographics of Americans and others worldwide were changing, and mixed marriages became more common, the UU church became a place where we could all unite and find common ground, and still enjoy spirituality, worship and community. It is a non-creedal religion, and borrows from various spiritual sources, giving congregants a well-rounded worship experience. It also stresses “right behavior” over right belief. This is quite different from many fundamentalist Christians who believe that as long as you accept Jesus (or profess to), it doesn’t matter if you’re an axe murderer. UU’s want you to walk your talk. You can’t hide behind dogma if you’re a UU.

    I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy your visit to a UU church and hope you find exactly the right place to explore your personal beliefs.

  11. For the record EMary. Most of the U*Us I know do a terrible job of walking the talk of U*Uism.

    Check out how this U*U “Citizens`Police Officer” walks the talk of U*Uism. . .

    U*Us can and do hide behind their U*U “dogma”, even as they are making a complete mockery of their claimed principles and ideals. . .


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